Brew-Magic

Brew-MagicSabco Brew-Magic V350M (2011)

I brew on a Brew-Magic system. Below are articles and posts that may help you get up and running, address some key techniques, as well as a variety of upgrades. The V350M is a hybrid RIMS system, featuring 3 kettles with direct fire, a RIMS tube and pump that allows for continuous recirculation. The kettles are “new” Sabco keggles, and the Mash Tun and Boil Kettle contain false bottoms. Some of the upgrades I have made include false bottom stands (from Jaybird), a whirlpool line for the BK, Loc-line for circulation and lauter. Sabco upgrades include the latest software for the PLC (I did not opt for the wireless feature) and the site glass on the circulation return plumbing.

Please feel free to ask any questions. I am happy to answer what I can. I am not affiliated in anyway with Sabco.

 

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  1. I was tossing up on the single vessel system of which the Braumeister seems the flagship, or a 3V of which clearly the Sabco is the flagship. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on why the Sabco trumps the Braumeister.

    As I see it the Sabco has the advantage of :
    1) using LPG (if that is an advantage where you live)
    2) You can do big beers given the 15 gallon mash tun capacity
    3) You can do multiple batches, ie boil batch 1 while mashing batch 2

    where the Braumeister type has the advantage of:
    1) a much smaller footprint
    2) more automated control from mash through boil with programmable steps. And that is because it is fully:
    3) Electric. Which opens the door for automation whilst the Sabco requires knowledge and operation of many valves both on the gas and liquid flow side.
    4) Its far cheaper than a Sabco setup.

    Would be keen to know your thoughts.

    Cheers
    HB

    1. Seems like the question here is more about your personal brewing goals, and of convenience. How much space can you dedicate? You are asking tne right questions. Both systems will make fine beer.

      I do wish Sabco offered the system in a fully electric eHerms config. Propane is a hazard, and pales in heating efficiency compared to well design electric systems.

      Best of luck!

      1. Thanks Matt.

        Actually I have the space but need to decide whether the extra flexibility of the Sabco is worth the extra investment.

        I also like the “set and forget” function of the BM made possible by the fact that it is all electric. From what I see the Sabco is not good at step mashing without constant attention and intervention.

        However the BM also has further drawbacks that I can see:
        1) for a 50l version unless you are tall and with a strong back you ideally need a pulley or winch to raise the malt pipe from the mash
        2) there is no conventional sparging process (though many of the owners claim efficiencies in excess of 80pct somehow)
        3) during the mash process, the wort clears perfectly but as soon as the malt pipe is lifted, all the fines that have been collected during the recirculation get dumped back into the wort. That’s because the recirculation is from beneath and upward as opposed to top down in the Sabco or other single vessel systems like the Grainfather. So you end up boiling cloudy wort, I am guessing that can’t be good.

        Best
        HB

        1. I don’t find the step mashing procedure all that fussy. Of course, with LP, you should always be present. The computer tells you when you need to light the fire or drop it, and a few brews in, that becomes a fairly intuitive process. It does become a trick if you run the fire too hot… but again…

          I do like the flexibility – I can do 5-12 gallon batches, and no sparge at 5-6 gallons makes a fairly short brew day.

          I understand that Zymatic is making larger systems very soon… that might be of interest? I believe they announced a 5 and 10 gallon system at CES. That will most likely be close to the BM budget.

  2. Matt, I´ve been using the brew magic for almost a year now. I am now investing on a water filter and trying to get a little bit more into it. I´ve been questioning my settings for the brewmagic on the software that I use to create my recipes. Do you have an equipment profile for the brew magic on beersmith?
    The mash process that I´m generally doing is a Temperature Mash at 68C-156F for 60 minutes, then I raise the temp to 75C-167 for ten minutes (total time is around 1:35).
    I do a Mash out and end up with approximately 45 liters (11 gallons) pre boil volume. After 60 or 75 minutes depending on the recipe I end up with 35 liters (9 gallons). I´ve been questioning myself if I am using the equipment to its maximum capacity. Are the volumes correct? Do they sound good to you?

    Any help is appreciated…thanks a lot,

    Serge

    1. Hi Sergio, check your email in a few. You can try out my BeerSmith profile and adjust it as needed.

      I would do a couple of things. First use a reliable thermometer to check your mash temps, using the valve out to the boil kettle. Just pull a small sample and check the temp – it should be reasonably close to your PID temperature – but assume a cup will slightly cool the sample. Second, measure your boil off rate in gallons. You can do this using your sight glass by filling some mark above the minimum line, boil for an hour starting the clock at an aggressive simmer. I boil off about 1.5 gallons per hour, but it varies slightly with the weather. The boil off set correctly will help immensely with hitting the correct volumes and having an accurate estimate in OG from BeerSmith.

      I regularly do 12 gallon batches, starting with a 14.5 gallon boil volume (hot) and boiling for 90 minutes. It just takes some patience and keeping the foam from building up too much. A little foam control or a water spray bottle works wonders.

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